Dr. Linda Lagemann

ON LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA — A BAD, BAD IDEA.

I’m glad to see discussion on marijuana, and one acknowledging there are two sides to the story on this drug (known on the street as “wacky weed” for good reason)… and that the story about pot is not all about how safe and wonderful pot is and how the world would be a better place if it were all legal to grow it and use it, if not to sell it.

The guest pointed out that tobacco used to be promoted as a treatment for asthma, and even up to 1999 the tobacco industry was still insisting tobacco was not addictive. We should take note that the same game is being played with pot.

A chat room person pointed out: E cigs are used to smoke DMT. E-cigs will surely be used to smoke THC also, and hashish (called “oil rigs”)… Dimethylditriptimide, serotonin and melatonin and other psychedelics.

Guest said: NIDA says in 1993 pot treatment admission was 8 percent, but in 2009 it had gone to 18 percent, and under-age-18 admissions went up 188 percent while other drug admissions went steady. Dr. L said, “When something is made legal or decriminalized, it implies that all is well and it’s all safe. But pot was legalized in Colorado in 2012 for recreational use but stores opened a year later, and during that time big jump in teenage use to 50 percent above national average. Legalizing pot in Colorado was sold to voters that it would be regulated and safe and there would be testing by the government of mold and pesticides, but none of these promises are being kept.”

With legalization, its sale will be controlled by a few corporates who will be allowed to grow it, market it, and increase its addictive power, which is what business is all about, is it not? There is no plan that anyone will be able to grow their own.

Ray from Oregon missed the point when he said pot is not GMO, and as long as it’s not GMO there’s nothing to worry about. But Dr. L pointed out that the real problem is that pot is much stronger than a few decades ago, and that it is being bred to be stronger. The caller, an obvious pot supporter, made a big deal out of the definition of GMO versus being bred for strength — and saw nothing wrong with pot being strong versus weak, and said, “You just need to smoke less of it to get what you want.”

However, I disagree with them both, but more with Ray who is not facing the truth about the horror of pot. There has always been plenty of powerful pot to smoke, and hashish has always been around (see below) which can be almost 100 percent THC. Fact is, if the pot is not so strong, the users will just keep puffing and sucking away, looking for that first good old high that never comes. The real bad thing about pot is that it is fat soluble and stays in the system for months or even years — and people have permanently lost their short term memory from smoking marijuana. It also collects in the gonads, which are also fat dense, and cause decreased sperm count and weakened and deformed sperm.

Stats from guest: Re: Cannabis and psychosis (hear voices, disconnect from reality) — 1966 to 2004 studies on cannabis as an independent risk factor, reported in Journal of Psychopharmacology in 2005 said: England in 1997, Independent newspaper launched a successful campaign to change the marijuana classification to lesson the charge from class B to class C, and in ONE YEAR year youth treatment for pot doubled. Dr. Murray, Professor of Psychiatry at London Institute of Psychiatry, said, regarding the increase in schizophrenia, “If pot had not been legalized, then 25,000 schizophrenia cases could have been avoided.” England decided to rescind their blessing and moved pot back to Class B.

Guest says this did not happen (schizophrenia and ER admissions and addiction rehab) until the pot got more potent. But I know that’s not true, and David Toma was writing about this same thing back 30 years ago. We have known all along that pot causes insanity, many accidents, visits to the ER for panic attacks and even real heart attacks (it doubles the heart rate), lots of pyschosis, paranoia, schizophrenia. There was plenty of strong pot back in the ’60s and before, and always hashish (which can be 100 percent THC, doesn’t get stronger than that).

Re strength of pot: That is one of the unpredictable traits of pot – you never know what strength it will be, even on the same plant, that one part will be stronger than another part on the same plant. Or one plant will be stronger than the plant growing next to it. David Toma, who has spent his life speaking against marijuana and seeing first hand the terrible effects and ruined and stunted lives of it, says a person can go schizophrenic on just smoking it one time.

Pot is, after all, a fat-soluble hallucinogenic drug that is known on the street as “wacky weed.”

The caller Ray was wanting to make another point, and complained that pot was said to be addictive, wanting a definition of “addiction”. The guest says pot has physical addiction, with the person having strong physical symptoms – and I don’t totally agree. Pot is fat soluble, so the person must use more and more and more to get the same effect, or an effect, a “buzz” — because the stuff never leaves the system. THAT is why it is so addicting, because those who use it are always looking for the feeling of their first high, which never comes, and just keep toking away all day, every day. That feature, that it is a pyschedelic, hypnotic, hallucinogenic drug, but fat soluble so you must use more and more and more to get just a little bit of a “buzz,” makes it one of the most addictive drugs ever. So the guest was mistaken on that point.

Deanna said anybody can be addicted to something physically or mentally – and if somebody tries pot and likes it, they will easily get hooked on it because it is fat soluble, and people who smoke pot are known as ‘stoners’ because they are always stoned, trying to boost their drugged state, and this is destructive to the body – to the brain cells (which the brain is almost all fat) and to the gonads which are also almost all fat. Pot does cause decreased sperm count and weakened and deformed sperm also.

Ray said you will not get withdrawal like you get with heroin, so therefore pot is not really addictive. It’s true that people don’t get those kind of withdrawal symptoms, but the users who like pot smoke more and more and more looking for a spectacular high that never comes, usually UNLESS OTHER DRUGS ARE ADDED TO MAKE A COCKTAIL. This is one reason pot is called a “gateway drug.” Ray tried to make the guest seem to be an extremist, and she was anything but that. He was concerned that there would be “no hysteria” with Deanna and her guest discussing pot, and he had little to nothing to worry on that score. Good thing I wasn’t the host on that show — you’d have had some real hysteria, but justified!

When so many people are becoming schizophrenic (as my nephew) from smoking pot; when they are filling up the ER rooms, going to rehab for addiction (which is happening)…this is not hysteria. Ray encouraged the guest to spend time with real pot smokers and expressed his desire that he and others would just be able to grow their own pot. Dr. L said that will never happen, that the corporates will be growing it and nobody else will be allowed. She also said that once the corporates get permission to sell it (if and when pot is actually made legal all over the country), that it will be advertised toward teens and the general population as tobacco and alcohol now is, in an effort to entice and addict as many people as possible.

That’s a horror. When people drink, they wake up in the morning with a hangover, but then things settle down to normal and the alcohol is out of their body. Not so with pot. Do we really need a nation of people going around stoned on a hypnotic, psychedelic drug? Aren’t people stoned and stupefied enough from television and movies and the rotten culture as it is?

Ray’s insistence that “Reefer Madness” film was all lies, and there’s nothing to worry, is just exactly what the people planning America’s demise want us all to think. I know I don’t want to be around pot smokers, and I’ve had too many of them coming to my little farm to do “work” and showing up with their lawn chairs and radios and taking forever to discuss and examine, and very little time actually doing any work, and then doing it very poorly. Had I known they were pot heads I would not have even talked to them, let alone hired them.

Deanna’s guest said the corporates are poised to make a big profit on pot addicts. The number of people on psychotic drugs are skyrocketing, as the guest said, naming Abilify as one such drug, which is aimed at psychotics but is being used in mass sales. False information from psychiatry is making people eager to take mind bending drugs for their lifetime.

If full on legalized, the profit is in the addicts, and it will be made to be more addictive than it already is, guest said. I agree.

Gary in Pennsylvania, said he knew someone who could not leave the house unless he was high on pot. If somebody likes pot, they will have it in their possession, and they will be using it every day and trying to get everyone around them to use it too. And as Deanna pointed out, the soldiers in the military are given free cigarettes, so even the ones who go in as nonsmokers will probably end up addicted to cigarettes. So is the military going to give out free pot also? I agree with Gary, “There is a hidden agenda.”

I’d like to see Deanna get David Toma on her show to talk about this subject some more, give it that good old “Reefer Madness” touch.

Good show, Deanna.

Wikipedia says: THC contents
Reported THC contents vary between sources. The 2009 World Drug Reports reports THC content as “may exceed 60%”. A 2013 American forensic science book gave a range of 10–30% delta-9 THC by weight and a 1972 American forensic journal reported a range of 20–65%.[5][6] Current testing labs regularly report oil potencies ranging from 30% to 90%, with levels of dispensary quality oil typically ranging from 60% to 85%, occasionally higher and occasionally lower.[7] Some extracts have supposedly been tested to over 99% THC but these are made using a process involving toluene washing.[8] Because of the nature of cannabis producing [essential oil]s, or [Terpenes] as well as psychoactive compounds, the percentage of THC can vary greatly from one strain to the next.

Consumption:
Hash oil can be consumed by methods such as smoking, ingestion, or vaporization (dabbing).[9] A water pipe, often small, is commonly used for hash oil vaporization and may be called an “oil rig”. Such designs feature a nail or skillet, commonly titanium, quartz, borosilicate glass, or ceramic, which serves to be heated to temperatures nearing 2000 kelvin, typically by a hand-held blowtorch. A dental pick, glass rod, or special tool called a dabber — laden with dabs — is used to dab the nail with hash oil, which is consequently vaporized and inhaled.

Dabbing hash oil.
Manufacturing:
Hash oil is a cannabis product obtained by separating resins from cannabis buds by solvent extraction.[10]
The most common form of hash oil is made by passing liquid butane through a tube filled with cannabis plant matter. As the butane passes through the tube the crystallized resins are dissolved in the liquid butane. As the solvent (butane + resins) exits the tube it is caught in a glass container. Butane is a volatile molecule and boils at −1 °C., leaving behind the crystallized resins only,[citation needed] which are collected from the glass container. This form is known as BHO or “Butane Hash Oil”. After obtaining BHO in this method, BHO producers will then vacuum purge their oil in a vacuum chamber.[citation needed] The primary purpose of this step is to purge the butane still remaining trapped within the oil, because butane can have adverse health effects if inhaled. This “purging” process, depending on duration of exposure to vacuum and heat, will give the B.H.O characteristic textures, such as wax, crumble, shatter and budder. Other solvents commonly used are hexane, isopropyl alcohol, ethanol, and liquid or dry ice CO2. One should note the purity of the solvent used, as only pure, additive-free types should be considered suitable to avoid unwanted health effects.
Cannabis can also be boiled in a solvent to form a viscous liquid which is then strained and the solvent is evaporated to yield hash oil. Flammable solvents used in extraction make the process dangerous.[11]

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January 11, 2015 @ 3:31 PM

ON LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA — A BAD, BAD IDEA.

I’m glad to see discussion on marijuana, and one acknowledging there are two sides to the story on this drug (known on the street as “wacky weed” for good reason)… and that the story about pot is not all about how safe and wonderful pot is and how the world would be a better place if it were all legal to grow it and use it, if not to sell it.

The guest pointed out that tobacco used to be promoted as a treatment for asthma, and even up to 1999 the tobacco industry was still insisting tobacco was not addictive. We should take note that the same game is being played with pot.

A chat room person pointed out: E cigs are used to smoke DMT. E-cigs will surely be used to smoke THC also, and hashish (called “oil rigs”)… Dimethylditriptimide, serotonin and melatonin and other psychedelics.

Guest said: NIDA says in 1993 pot treatment admission was 8 percent, but in 2009 it had gone to 18 percent, and under-age-18 admissions went up 188 percent while other drug admissions went steady. Dr. L said, “When something is made legal or decriminalized, it implies that all is well and it’s all safe. But pot was legalized in Colorado in 2012 for recreational use but stores opened a year later, and during that time big jump in teenage use to 50 percent above national average. Legalizing pot in Colorado was sold to voters that it would be regulated and safe and there would be testing by the government of mold and pesticides, but none of these promises are being kept.”

With legalization, its sale will be controlled by a few corporates who will be allowed to grow it, market it, and increase its addictive power, which is what business is all about, is it not? There is no plan that anyone will be able to grow their own.

Ray from Oregon missed the point when he said pot is not GMO, and as long as it’s not GMO there’s nothing to worry about. But Dr. L pointed out that the real problem is that pot is much stronger than a few decades ago, and that it is being bred to be stronger. The caller, an obvious pot supporter, made a big deal out of the definition of GMO versus being bred for strength — and saw nothing wrong with pot being strong versus weak, and said, “You just need to smoke less of it to get what you want.”

However, I disagree with them both, but more with Ray who is not facing the truth about the horror of pot. There has always been plenty of powerful pot to smoke, and hashish has always been around (see below) which can be almost 100 percent THC. Fact is, if the pot is not so strong, the users will just keep puffing and sucking away, looking for that first good old high that never comes. The real bad thing about pot is that it is fat soluble and stays in the system for months or even years — and people have permanently lost their short term memory from smoking marijuana. It also collects in the gonads, which are also fat dense, and cause decreased sperm count and weakened and deformed sperm.

Stats from guest: Re: Cannabis and psychosis (hear voices, disconnect from reality) — 1966 to 2004 studies on cannabis as an independent risk factor, reported in Journal of Psychopharmacology in 2005 said: England in 1997, Independent newspaper launched a successful campaign to change the marijuana classification to lesson the charge from class B to class C, and in ONE YEAR year youth treatment for pot doubled. Dr. Murray, Professor of Psychiatry at London Institute of Psychiatry, said, regarding the increase in schizophrenia, “If pot had not been legalized, then 25,000 schizophrenia cases could have been avoided.” England decided to rescind their blessing and moved pot back to Class B.

Guest says this did not happen (schizophrenia and ER admissions and addiction rehab) until the pot got more potent. But I know that’s not true, and David Toma was writing about this same thing back 30 years ago. We have known all along that pot causes insanity, many accidents, visits to the ER for panic attacks and even real heart attacks (it doubles the heart rate), lots of pyschosis, paranoia, schizophrenia. There was plenty of strong pot back in the ’60s and before, and always hashish (which can be 100 percent THC, doesn’t get stronger than that).

Re strength of pot: That is one of the unpredictable traits of pot – you never know what strength it will be, even on the same plant, that one part will be stronger than another part on the same plant. Or one plant will be stronger than the plant growing next to it. David Toma, who has spent his life speaking against marijuana and seeing first hand the terrible effects and ruined and stunted lives of it, says a person can go schizophrenic on just smoking it one time.

Pot is, after all, a fat-soluble hallucinogenic drug that is known on the street as “wacky weed.”

The caller Ray was wanting to make another point, and complained that pot was said to be addictive, wanting a definition of “addiction”. The guest says pot has physical addiction, with the person having strong physical symptoms – and I don’t totally agree. Pot is fat soluble, so the person must use more and more and more to get the same effect, or an effect, a “buzz” — because the stuff never leaves the system. THAT is why it is so addicting, because those who use it are always looking for the feeling of their first high, which never comes, and just keep toking away all day, every day. That feature, that it is a pyschedelic, hypnotic, hallucinogenic drug, but fat soluble so you must use more and more and more to get just a little bit of a “buzz,” makes it one of the most addictive drugs ever. So the guest was mistaken on that point.

Deanna said anybody can be addicted to something physically or mentally – and if somebody tries pot and likes it, they will easily get hooked on it because it is fat soluble, and people who smoke pot are known as ‘stoners’ because they are always stoned, trying to boost their drugged state, and this is destructive to the body – to the brain cells (which the brain is almost all fat) and to the gonads which are also almost all fat. Pot does cause decreased sperm count and weakened and deformed sperm also.

Ray said you will not get withdrawal like you get with heroin, so therefore pot is not really addictive. It’s true that people don’t get those kind of withdrawal symptoms, but the users who like pot smoke more and more and more looking for a spectacular high that never comes, usually UNLESS OTHER DRUGS ARE ADDED TO MAKE A COCKTAIL. This is one reason pot is called a “gateway drug.” Ray tried to make the guest seem to be an extremist, and she was anything but that. He was concerned that there would be “no hysteria” with Deanna and her guest discussing pot, and he had little to nothing to worry on that score. Good thing I wasn’t the host on that show — you’d have had some real hysteria, but justified!

When so many people are becoming schizophrenic (as my nephew) from smoking pot; when they are filling up the ER rooms, going to rehab for addiction (which is happening)…this is not hysteria. Ray encouraged the guest to spend time with real pot smokers and expressed his desire that he and others would just be able to grow their own pot. Dr. L said that will never happen, that the corporates will be growing it and nobody else will be allowed. She also said that once the corporates get permission to sell it (if and when pot is actually made legal all over the country), that it will be advertised toward teens and the general population as tobacco and alcohol now is, in an effort to entice and addict as many people as possible.

That’s a horror. When people drink, they wake up in the morning with a hangover, but then things settle down to normal and the alcohol is out of their body. Not so with pot. Do we really need a nation of people going around stoned on a hypnotic, psychedelic drug? Aren’t people stoned and stupefied enough from television and movies and the rotten culture as it is?

Ray’s insistence that “Reefer Madness” film was all lies, and there’s nothing to worry, is just exactly what the people planning America’s demise want us all to think. I know I don’t want to be around pot smokers, and I’ve had too many of them coming to my little farm to do “work” and showing up with their lawn chairs and radios and taking forever to discuss and examine, and very little time actually doing any work, and then doing it very poorly. Had I known they were pot heads I would not have even talked to them, let alone hired them.

Deanna’s guest said the corporates are poised to make a big profit on pot addicts. The number of people on psychotic drugs are skyrocketing, as the guest said, naming Abilify as one such drug, which is aimed at psychotics but is being used in mass sales. False information from psychiatry is making people eager to take mind bending drugs for their lifetime.

If full on legalized, the profit is in the addicts, and it will be made to be more addictive than it already is, guest said. I agree.

Gary in Pennsylvania, said he knew someone who could not leave the house unless he was high on pot. If somebody likes pot, they will have it in their possession, and they will be using it every day and trying to get everyone around them to use it too. And as Deanna pointed out, the soldiers in the military are given free cigarettes, so even the ones who go in as nonsmokers will probably end up addicted to cigarettes. So is the military going to give out free pot also? I agree with Gary, “There is a hidden agenda.”

I’d like to see Deanna get David Toma on her show to talk about this subject some more, give it that good old “Reefer Madness” touch.

Good show, Deanna.

Wikipedia says: THC contents
Reported THC contents vary between sources. The 2009 World Drug Reports reports THC content as “may exceed 60%”. A 2013 American forensic science book gave a range of 10–30% delta-9 THC by weight and a 1972 American forensic journal reported a range of 20–65%.[5][6] Current testing labs regularly report oil potencies ranging from 30% to 90%, with levels of dispensary quality oil typically ranging from 60% to 85%, occasionally higher and occasionally lower.[7] Some extracts have supposedly been tested to over 99% THC but these are made using a process involving toluene washing.[8] Because of the nature of cannabis producing [essential oil]s, or [Terpenes] as well as psychoactive compounds, the percentage of THC can vary greatly from one strain to the next.

Consumption:
Hash oil can be consumed by methods such as smoking, ingestion, or vaporization (dabbing).[9] A water pipe, often small, is commonly used for hash oil vaporization and may be called an “oil rig”. Such designs feature a nail or skillet, commonly titanium, quartz, borosilicate glass, or ceramic, which serves to be heated to temperatures nearing 2000 kelvin, typically by a hand-held blowtorch. A dental pick, glass rod, or special tool called a dabber — laden with dabs — is used to dab the nail with hash oil, which is consequently vaporized and inhaled.

Dabbing hash oil.
Manufacturing:
Hash oil is a cannabis product obtained by separating resins from cannabis buds by solvent extraction.[10]
The most common form of hash oil is made by passing liquid butane through a tube filled with cannabis plant matter. As the butane passes through the tube the crystallized resins are dissolved in the liquid butane. As the solvent (butane + resins) exits the tube it is caught in a glass container. Butane is a volatile molecule and boils at −1 °C., leaving behind the crystallized resins only,[citation needed] which are collected from the glass container. This form is known as BHO or “Butane Hash Oil”. After obtaining BHO in this method, BHO producers will then vacuum purge their oil in a vacuum chamber.[citation needed] The primary purpose of this step is to purge the butane still remaining trapped within the oil, because butane can have adverse health effects if inhaled. This “purging” process, depending on duration of exposure to vacuum and heat, will give the B.H.O characteristic textures, such as wax, crumble, shatter and budder. Other solvents commonly used are hexane, isopropyl alcohol, ethanol, and liquid or dry ice CO2. One should note the purity of the solvent used, as only pure, additive-free types should be considered suitable to avoid unwanted health effects.
Cannabis can also be boiled in a solvent to form a viscous liquid which is then strained and the solvent is evaporated to yield hash oil. Flammable solvents used in extraction make the process dangerous.[11]

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